Here We go again.. please only read if you lack 10kDPSFollow

Seriously.... I'm getting sick of people complaining in the new heroics that they can't push 10K dps. So if you are one of these people please read...


1. Do you have all the level 353 or above gear prior to entering into the new twilight heroics?
a. If your answer is NO then please run previous heroics and refer to
maxdps.com or other sites to work on your rotation and gear and read no further

2. Is all your gear gemmed correctly?

a. If yes please refer to maxdps.com for a new rotation

b. If No or unsure please look for your class below and read

1. Ret pally - Strength gems in red, strength/crit in yellow, strength/stam blue
2. Rogue/hunter/enh shammy - agi in red, agi/cit in yellow, agi/stam blue
3. Warrior/DK- Strength gems in red, str/crit yellow, str/stam blue
4. Mage/priest/lock/eleshammy- Intel red, intel/haste yellow, intel/stam blue

3. IS your hit rating at the required amount? 8% for melee/hunters apx 12% for casters
a. IF no for melee get License to Stay from Justice Points
b. If no for casters please roll on hit gear in previous heroics
c. IF yes continue on

4. Are you in FULL PVP GEAR?
a. IF so please run lower heroics until your in FULL PVE gear for your class
b. If not then please read on

5. Still not pushing over 10k?
a. Goto Tankspot.com and look over heroic fights.

6. Still not pushing over 10k?
a. QUIT PLAYING WOW CAUSE ITS BEYOND YOUR INTELLIGENCE AND STICK TO COLORING BOOKS!




Yes I know this might not be a perfect GEM set up but its still enough to push someone to the dps they need. I know some people will be like " Oh if you put this haste gem over crit here then.." ya I know BUT the fact of the matter is 10k dps isn't much dps to be hitting. And yes I know I put the caster hit rating higher then what it should be only cause you should be around 16-17% in raiding...


Finally people wear the gear according to your character! No for a bonus let me add HEALERS
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1. Are you a healer under 100k MANNA and not able to keep your tank up?
a. IF YES continue on... if no then ignore all this

2. Is your tank in FULL PVP GEAR?
A. If yes- Trash talk tank into leaving or drop group... tanks in PVP gear SUCK!
B. If not read on

3. Is tank wearing DPS gear with no mitigation ( Dodge,Parry,or Mastery) gear on EVERY ITEM?
A. IF yes Trash talk tank into leaving or drop group
B. If no then contiune

4. Are you in Full PVP GEAR?
A. If Yes run lower heroics or normals until all PVP gear is PVE NO RESILIENCE
B. IF no then read on

5. Are you all Intel/Mastery/Spirit Gemmed?
A. If yes then read on
B. If no then re-gem properly

6. Is your healing gear all have intel/spirit on every Armor item?
A. If no then please run normals/heroics until your are
B. If so please read on

7. Goto Google and type good healing rotation for your class and read ZAM forums!
A. If this helped then sweet
B. IF not.. please quit playing wow and goto coloring books






Edited, Dec 17th 2011 1:37pm by DarkPoet2011

Here I thought Theo was a jerk...but sadly the tone in the OP is just being a jerk. The last thing we need in WoW is more trash talk. How about instead of being an ass to a player having a hard time you try politely explaining/helping them out? It usually goes over better and you're actually helping instead of adding to the increasing number of jackasses roaming World of Warcraft.

Seriously, trash talk isn't necessary.

And yeah, I've never seen anyone recommend anyone but a tank gem for stamina. That's just weird. Hit and/or spirit is much better, but for dps at least, it's better to just throw red gems into everything unless the socket bonus is +20 of a primary stat, or 30 of a secondary stat, provided you only have to use one yellow/blue socket.

Also, there's no need to tell casters to get 12% hit or GTFO when they're doing heroics. You say that you know it's higher than they need, so why tell them they should have higher than they need? You don't know if they're raiding or not.

Yes I did Maz, did you read the healer section?

Oh I agree that there's no excuse for it. I just don't think trash talking is going to help any. If you want to leave the group, fine. That's probably what I would do.

As a dps, I usually will stick it out and/or try to kick the bad player. If I'm healing (which doesn't happen very often) I'm usually more likely to say something polite to the tank, and if I get no response or an @#%^ response, then I'll leave. I'll admit, one of the perks to healing is that you have a significantly shorter queue time, although not as short as a tank's.

There's nothing wrong with using green gems in gear you know you're going to upgrade soon. At least that way people know you're trying.

I don't mind dps or healers wearing some pvp gear, but the issue the OP specifically mentioned was a tank in ALL pvp gear. As far as I'm aware, there is no tank role in pvp, because you can't taunt other players. So PvP gear has no dodge and no parry stats on it, which makes it extremely difficult for tanks to get those stats, and extremely difficult for a healer to keep that person up, even if they're an amazing healer.

Fixed. I detest it when people rate others down but don't even bother posting in the thread to be argumentative.

I rated the OP down and I don't have anything to say to him/her.
Redundant info is redundant. Why he/she feels the need to beat this dead horse (again) here is beyond me.

-shrug- I didn't rate the OP up or down. Partially due to how I can see where he is coming from but approaching it the wrong way.

But mainly due to this

There are three unique features introduced to the game that I feel necessary to inform you all about:

• Vote Kick - By right clicking on a party frame you can initiate a vote to kick an offending player. If at least 3 out of the 5 players agree that person is gone and will not rejoin your group.
• Leave Party - This is a new one, its only been around 7 years, so I can understand if some of you are unaware of it. Right clicking on your character's party frame will open a dialogue. Right click, select "Leave Party", and--amazingly--you will instantly leave the party and not have to deal with the obnoxious player(s) anymore!
• Ignore - This is another new feature that you may or may not be aware of. By right clicking on a character frame or name in chat you can access a dialogue that will add the selected player to your ignore list. Once on the ignore list you will never be grouped with that player again. Furthermore, this option has the added benefit of never having to see this person's dribble ever again.

All three of these features require little to no asshatery on your part and keep the chat environment enjoyable for the entire party. Because lets face it, ridiculing, insulting, and demeaning people really ruins the atmosphere in what we like to call a game: a source of relaxation and entertainment. By being a total jackwagon all you are managing to do is ruin the game for the other players who are trying and making yourself out to be a loser.

Listen here buddy,
This is a game, its meant for fun. The fact that you listed a myriad of classes, roles, and websites leads me to believe that you're a step above the casual player and shouldn't be running with random people who may not take this game as seriously as you. Furthermore, I'm willing to be that you're not an expert on every class or role and on every encounter. If for some reason you are a WoW guru, then please play with the rest of the elitists because no one wants to log in and be ridiculed by strangers.

Yes, I understand that perhaps someones DPS or iLevel, or any other variable, may not be to your liking. For some people the new content is still new, and encounters may be new, and with that being the case, fight mechanics and movement may affect a players rotation. Players, may also still not be fully decked out in new 378 or valor gear. Now, have you taken the time to explain, in a polite way, a fight to someone who maybe hasn't done it? Or do you quickly boot them and tell them to go color books?

Furthermore, your post asks if players are gemmed correctly, then it goes on to list gems players should have based on class/role, and finishes with you admitting that it's not the perfect get set up. So basically, if I'm not gemmed correctly according to you, I should follow your guide on what gems to get and then... I still wont be gemmed accordingly. I don't want to burst your bubble, but gems and rotation vary for most players based on their playing style.

And lastly, a small part of me really hopes that I group up with you. I'm fairly confident that my gem, rotation, and dps will easily meet your expectations - but, and here's the but, with my super high 'pro' DPS I will attack anything and everything I see, I may or may not pull aggro from tank, I wont move out of the fire so as I don't mess up my rotation and then I'll blame the healer for not having the right gems or the appropriate amount of mana to keep me up or blame the tank for not holding aggro. I will also constantly post DPS meters to prove how good I am and show that I'm the best around, and nothings ever going to keep me down.


Merry Christmas

Like I said

Very true but unfortunatly if you look at the topics currently being discussed on these forums it's this or condiments (and this one is at least a WoW related topic)



I'm interested to find out how you justify being the bigger jerk is any sort of solution. To me it seems like you are openly admitting you would rather be part of the problem than the solution. You say you know your class, spec, gear, and so on, but would intentionally create problems for the group just because you feel it's somehow justified. Like I said in my previous post, I have tolerance for someone who is new and willing to learn, but I have no respect for someone who knows better, but still acts like a d-bag just for the sake of not caring.

At least with the condiment thread we are discussing something new and quasi interesting.

For the rest of the post .

But is the only thing I have left against the War on . Why must you hate Mazra?

I'm thinking this.

Rerailed.

Edited, Dec 18th 2011 6:43pm by Mazra

I must have pissed in someones cheerios. Guess they are a massive horse fan. -shrug-

But then we would miss out on opportunities for +1.

+1ing is an art.

Yup.

Many thanks for that Mazra.

Quite why they need so many different vendors is confusing but hey

It would be much nicer if they let us make something worthwhile with these skills we slavishly max out every expansion.

As far as the OP is concerned I sympathise to some extent with the sentiment but not with the delivery.

I hate messy,disorganised,wiping groups as much as the next person but as somebody already said the OP is giving elitists a bad name. He is also convincing me that I'm not ready to expose myself to this kind of attitude.

Aye. My Hunter was doing 15k+ DPS on bosses before even being geared for regular heroics, yet, I'm seeing Hunters in HoT who can't push 10k DPS to save their (or our) lives.

If you can't push 10k in a HoT heroic then you're doing something wrong. Even in full PvP gear you should be able to push that much with the LFD bonus and all.

I don't mind/care about DPS in PvP gear. So they're doing half their potential damage, big deal. It just means the healer will have to spend some more mana. It's when both DPS and the tank or healer is wearing PvP gear I begin to worry.

Lower DPS means longer fights, which means more mana spent. Less mitigation on the tank means more mana spent. Coupled with a healer with less mana regen than a PvE healer, it has a tendency to turn ugly really fast.

Back in the days, I ran a heroic Throne of the Tides on my Paladin and couldn't understand why I was taking more damage than usual. I had to use Word of Glory a lot more than I normally had to (this was before the CD nerf, by the way). I inspected the healer, a Druid, and noticed he was both in his Feral spec and wearing full Feral gear.

Once I saw this, I stopped pulling and asked him about it. Apparently, he hadn't noticed, because he laughed, apologized and switched to his Resto spec and gear. He said that he was wondering why he was running out of mana so fast. He just thought I was bad, but didn't want to mention it because he was afraid I'd kick him.

I'll not deny that we might both have been a bit intoxicated that run.

WRONG WRONG WRONG. Just change the instance selection in LFG tool. I can queue for random normals at iLevel 379.

Your choices:
Random Dungeon -- puts you in one of the nonheroics.
Random Heroic -- puts you in any heroic dungeon you meet the ilevel for.
Random DS Heroic -- puts you in one of the 3 new heroics.