The people who say such things about WoW are people who have never played it to obtain or achieve any of the things we're talking about. These are most likely people who log into the game and get to level 10 or 20 and dislike how quests lead you from one area to another and give you rewards suitable to your level. You don't have to farm at level 10 and wait 3 days for your auctions to sell to afford gear, you don't have to read a wiki to figure out what you're doing and you don't have to spend 3 hours trying to assemble a group for an hour long exp party. If that's the measuring stick, it's clear to see why they think WoW is easymode.
I dont think it is.. which is why I ask...
After all everyone says "WoW is for ppl who like everything handed to them and instant gratification" if that were true then thats not a game youd picture having anything remotely difficulty to obtain (i.e a fight you may die 5+ times on before you finally win it) nor would you expect it to have something that takes 1+ years to obtain... or even 6 months. considering those things would be the complete opposite of "INSTANT gratification" and "things being handed to you" (i.e if i have to work my butt off redoing a fighting 5+ times because it was that hard then Id say I worked for/earned it.. it wasnt just handed to me. right?)
Really would like to avoid the whole 'my game is harder than yours' argument, but I would just point out that there have been encounters in WoW that the world's top raiding guilds have made hundreds of attempts trying to clear... for the first time. I can count the number of times I wiped
to HNMs in FFXI on my hands and one foot.
You're precisely right. We love (and love to hate) those aspects from XI... That's what made XI a gem in it's own right. Sure, that model may never sell 8 bazillion subs like WoW... But it's apparently sufficient to get enough subs to be the most profitable FF of all time.
Quote - I don't understand why people get so upset or confused, when SE says they are gonna look at another game, and take from it and improve their own....
I'm not sure what people don't get about this??? XI players by large majority (not all but certainly a majority) HATE, HATE, HATE
Now using a line of logic (not saying you lack logic, just throwing a point out there.) XI players will presumably make up the next base of XIV... If XI players HATE WoW, why would those same players want a new game based off WoW???
Now with that said, I can understand the counterpoint that many of the original XI players have moved on and no longer game, or are more casual gamers... well let me provide an anecdotal example.
It is true that I may be a more casual gamer now, however towards the end of XI when one could still start at the beginning and level up a job from 1-75 without all the mega ezmode extras they've added now, I introduced my two little brothers to the game who are now 17 and 18 (the same age I was when I started XI.) They in turn introduced the game to their friends and so on and so forth. They likewise hate WoW, and prefer the more immersive world that is XI.
I know for a fact that there will always be people who like a more hardcore experience... SE shouldn't make the fatal flaw of assuming this type of gamer isn' out there. Because they are, and they will always continue to yearn for an experience like XI... not only that, but this customer tends to also be loyal, as evidenced by the amazing run XI had. Edited, Dec 19th 2012 3:24pm by je355804 Edited, Dec 19th 2012 3:24pm by je355804
Sorry -- one last edit:
I liken the XIV transforming into a WoW like this...
To us (meaning true players of XI), XI was a Ferrari... It was hot, sexy, and not many other people had it, sure the maintenance cost on it was a beeyotch but that's the price of driving a ferrari... In other words, it's going to be expensive to drive this Ferrari (XI - time cost mostly.) But damnit when you get out of your Ferrari you feel like a bad mofo.
Then our neighbors have a Honda Civic (WoW). Everyone has a Honda Civic. Even everyone's grandmother has a Honda Civic. Even some senator made the news because they have a honda civic. GREAT FOR THEM! We're Ferrari owners (XI.) We don't want some grocery getter, that takes us from point A to point B with little to no cost at all (lack of relative time/hardcore cost of WoW.) We want to get 4 mpg... we do it because we love it.
Now the maker of Ferraris (SE) calls all it's owners and tells us, "hey guys, we've noticed Honda Civics have sold millions more than Ferraris, so guess what?! We're going to make the new Ferrari modeled after Honda Civics!!! ISN'T THAT AWESOME, AREN'T YOU GUYS HAPPY???"
I know this is an absolutely exaggerated metaphor, but I truly believe this is how many feel about the WoWification of our precious Ferraris. Edited, Dec 19th 2012 3:33pm by je355804