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^ How do you mean?

Legacy is a reward to people who played the game during it's low point. It's for people who helped reduce the losses the game took by keeping the servers on. It was also a bit of a shameless attempt to get original customers to return for a bit and try out the changes.

You had every opportunity, and you missed it. It would cost you $30 to get legacy. I bought the CE as well, and paid for over 7 months. Do you hear me complaining about someone buying their copy for $11 on amazon and then $30 and getting legacy?


You still get to play 2.0 for FREE. No need to buy a new client, and you will receive another 30-Days free. What else do you need, as a player who bought a copy of a game you didn't like and then stopped playing it?



A few points on this. The majority of Legacy players, and the main purpose of Legacy, is for the die-hard 14 players that are now and have been playing the game. I know MANY people who have never stopped. In addition to financially, they've also provided this paid testing ground for the devs. I'm sure you aren't aware of how many drastic changes the player-base has gone through, but here are some examples of mechanics that will be greatly imporved thanks to legacy players:

1) Stats on gear will be visible, and simpler, with a greater effect on performance and less disparity between Stat Alottment points and Melded Stats.

2) All combat system upgrades. We were the test team for auto-attack and ability changes, and the faster pace of combat.

3) Speed Runs. They will be gone, and good riddance. You're welcome for this. Future content will not be timed and drops will not be determined by boring "sprint through all the enemies in the dungeon" tactics.

4) Improvements to open-world battle systems (I.E. Hamlet Defense) with an increase in the number of players and enemies that can be displayed on screen. Hamlet was supposed to be open-world like Campaign in FFXI, but they found that they needed to instance this for it to work, which led them to fix these limitations.

5) Job improvements and lessening the disparity between magic and melee classes. This is the TP changes that will have melee classes starting with full TP like mages to speed up battle and close the gap between blms and melee dmg.


I could go on but tl;dr.

Legacy players provide more than money. I'm not saying we're better, thats f*cking silly, but so is your original statement.

Edited, Sep 7th 2012 11:10am by Louiscool

I didn't subscribe past February of this year.

That said, even if I had, a mount wouldn't be what would have kept me playing or looking forward to 2.0 next year. Too many people here putting too much importance on a mount; nevermind the fact that even if it were some sort of symbol of status or achievement, the only thing it proves is that you were suckered into paying for a game that wasn't worth it for several months.

In hindsight it probably would have been a good deal if you planned on subbing longer than however many months it would have taken you to make your money back, but the promise and potential for this game weren't realized until just recently, beyond the deadline for Legacy. I've said it before and I still have the same feeling on the matter. If SE is able to make 2.0 into something that I will subscribe to long enough that it would have been a better deal to secure legacy, I won't feel bad about losing out on a few bucks. Given the magnitude of changes required to take that leap, they deserve the extra money earned.

Reach high enough and u can fall further down...

But lets go for the STARS !!!! Let the gaming begin... Gah its boring to wait for 2.0 ... :P

Sounds like someone with very little knowledge in game design.

Engine != Game

It's a base, a foundation. You think they developed an entirely new game in 1 year? That's would be amazing. So, what you're saying is that none of the improvements, tweaks, systems, gear, primals, fights, content, character models, and enhancements, none of it will be used for 2.0?

Every. single. thing. that I just mentioned has nothing to do with the engine. The engine allows for many other things, yes. A mail sytem, AH, further graphical optimization for lesser computers, etc.

So save your "Boo Hoos," because, as you said, it's a mere $24. Not a very good fundraiser for a game with less than 250k active subs, is it?

Edited, Sep 10th 2012 3:20pm by Louiscool

I beg to differ. The game is two years old, yet the current highest tier GPUs can't display more than a few dozen character models. SE is in the position to claim that the PS3 version was withheld until 2.0 improvements, but everyone knows damn well they couldn't have released 1.0 on a PS3 with the current engine.

The engine is the vehicle that delivers your experience and has much more to do with how a game plays than you suggest here. The difference between a horribly optimized engine and a great one(which we hope will be the difference between 1.0 and 2.0) is like the difference between listening to Distant Worlds on an old walkman vs listening to it live in a grand concert hall.

I over-simplified it to be sure. But I also never implied that legacy players are some superior beings either. We are a testing ground for mechanics though. Yoshi-P asked for player feedback about what they like, what they don't about changes made, and we see those changes being implemented in 2.0 (Faster combat, for one)

You left out the customers that left the game. But how is SE going to win back all the dissatisfied customers? A mere 30-day open access is not going to be enough. Let's have a sanity check and look at the reviews left by Amazon customers who purchased the game and left.

This game majorly stinks! Waste of our family's $200 for 4 games., November 7, 2010

I regret spending money on this game!, October 3, 2010

Not sure if this technically qualifies as a game, October 9, 2010

An exercise in frustration, October 2, 2010

Do NOT waste your money on this game its not worth the headache., October 6, 2010

Waste of time and money, October 5, 2010

Horrible, bad, abysmal...need I say more?, October 5, 2010

Complete waste of money. Worst FF game ever., October 6, 2010

Buy ANYTHING else but this game - from a sad FF fan...., January 15, 2011

Even though it's currently free to play it's still not worth the time, March 4, 2011

I'm amazed that the game was released, October 5, 2010

Biggest let down in a while, thank you., July 19, 2011

3 months later still waiting for fun, December 22, 2010

Total Frustration for $50, October 13, 2010

Quite possibly the worst MMO ever, March 4, 2012

Free to play for a reason, July 27, 2011

Absolutely horrible - don't waste your money., November 28, 2010

This is the public image that SE needs to address and overcome in order for 2.0 to succeed. Mission accomplished with their Legacy program. So what is SE's next steps with winning the ex-customers back? How are they going to entice back all the ex-customers that left and felt like they gotten burned so they left negative reviews?

From what I've seen with the latest developer presentations, the 2.0 looks very exciting. I'm a long time Final Fantasy fan and I really REALLY want to see 2.0 be successful. I'm interested and concerned in how SE is going to address the bad press and hard feelings of past customers.

The thing is, what's fun on 1.0 isn't going to be the same as 2.0.

1.0 has to deal with poor netcode that doesn't update what's actually happening around you without a constant, perceptible lag. The UI is not customizable, has limited information, and isn't suited for PCs. The graphics engine isn't capable of displaying a significant number of characters around you, and if you come across too many characters and NPCs, they can remain invisible for almost a minute even if they're standing next to you.

So, to use one of your examples, a large scale battle would be more fun instanced because the lag and graphical limitations of 1.0 prevent it from being enjoyable otherwise.

But in 2.0, with good netcode that's responsive and smooths out lag, a UI that customizable, full of displayable information, and works with drag-and-drop, and a graphics engine that can quickly render a crowd... that same large scale battle would probably be a lot more fun in the spontaneous, open world because the engine can handle it.

In other words, tweaking 1.0 to be more fun (what your feedback was based on) has no bearing on what will be fun on the more capable 2.0 engine. At best you could ascertain the enjoyability of certain concepts in 1.0 like the class-job relationship that will move on to 2.0, but game play really can't be judged until you experience it on the new engine.

Really? Fun != Fun? Just think on your argument for a second. What's fun, won't be fun. I think you're going to be sorely disappointed with 2.0.

Absolutely. I keep expecting this big push they speak of, and these game conventions come and go with just a bit of info. I would say "we'll see at TGS," but I just expect another slow trickle.

I submit that the added danger of getting hit by a car would GREATLY improve the fun-factor of hopscotch.

You ignore the majority of my points and argue only one.

This is for you

I'm too busy now, but I'll make you a full list later detailing every change you can "thank" all us fantastic and selfless legacy players when you come back for 2.0, play for 2 weeks, and then bandwagon over to the next MMO (I'm guessing The Elder Scrolls Online).