Gamespy: Have we simply outgrown the mmorpg?Follow

An FF/Dark Souls hybrid? Not only would I buy its collector's edition, I'd drink from the toxic mug that came with it.

You must be either stupid or you cant read, i said i have a million gil and i have not been playing an entire week, what part of that said, i made somebody explain to me how to make gil and i already had a million ? Assuming much ?

Also i played EQ at release.... cant be that young

Have you done any of the Guild Wars 2 weekends? I think it might be the promised land.

12 hour gaming sprees isn't casual. Don't take it personally that I'm calling you a liar

Mind linking proof into that 'thanks for playing'? I didn't think so. BoAs sure, but you can't expect anyone to believe you leveled from 1-85 even in full BoA by spamming instances; especially not in 6 hours a day from monday to friday. At least come clean and admit you used RaF or SoR because there is no way in hell anyone who has tried speed leveling will believe you unless you had overnight 80 or 3x experience point bonus. What your girlfriend saw will never be an alibi on the internet, especially when making such bold claims. Screenshots will. Try again?

I get the point that WoW is easy and I agree with most of what you said, hence the rate up. Be honest though. You're lying unless you can produce proof. I'm a jackass because you make an outrageous claim you can't back up with said proof? Sure.

Edited, Jun 21st 2012 10:05pm by FilthMcNasty

haven't played wow in almost a year, didn't screenshot anything as it wasn't a big deal.

but ya know, its not worth fighting over, you win, i'm a liar, my gf is liar....congrats

and maybe if this is what the ffxiv community has become, i really don't want to play. have we outgorwn the mmo. no, its just devolved into a cesspool of jackass.

The mmorpg outgrew the old schoolers. The whole world is full of different people. Some are physically abusive to spouses, some are deadbeat dads, & some are cesspools of jackasses. But there are alot of good people too.

Playing a game that makes you uncontent, makes you start to question why you do it. Questioning why you do it, makes you start asking strangers on forums why you do it. The strangers on the forums give you an answer you don't agree with. You begin debating on the forums on who is right or wrong. Debating on who is right or wrong leads to arguing & name calling on the internet. Arguing on the internet makes you think that some mmos are cesspools of jackasses. Don't let yourself think that everyone in mmos are cesspools of jackasses.

Edited, Jun 22nd 2012 12:45pm by sandpark

Edited, Jun 22nd 2012 12:54pm by sandpark

You should try out Dragon's Dogma. It's not as rewarding or as difficult as the souls series. But it has some interesting enemies & some interesting environments. I love doing incapacitations in the game & scaling bosses bodies.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGlgpncvNps

I agree with the 7/10 score but I still had alot of fun. Just wish the combat was more weighty like Dark Souls and less hack n slash. I found myself able to button mash to victory on too many occasions.

Me too :) It was so much fun trying a level 1 Path of the Dragon only run, still stuck at Ornstein and Smough, but at a certain point the single player content is done haha ;) Dragon's Dogma, eh, no thanks man. You're right, it deserves a 7 for all that it's supposed to be offering, I just got stuck in some interface issues like saving, pawn everything, etc. Wrote up a faq actually that I didn't want to modify cause of spoilers for Gamefaqs. It's a good-great game, if you can ignore it flaws, if you can't, you're looking at a meager 5/10 in my opinion.

The amount of attention and detail that went into Dark Souls, gameplay, interface, the visuals you name it, was so expertly crafted that there just wasn't a case of whether something worked or not, no, it was do you like it or not? If a game can do that, I will be rooting for it, which in my case used to be FFXI, before they completely ignored the hardcore players and made everything easy-casual by upping the level cap and not increased the challenge.

Now looking at the later updates in FFXI, not to mention the addition of a new add-on, as mentioned on neoGaf, I would say SE has some idea how to do it. Implement hardcore content like the level 99 Odin battle, let the hardcore get specific drops for that battle that not outweigh the casual gear drops by that much and you got my vote. You NEED hardcore content, SE expertly cut their playerbase in half, if not more because of the level cap increase and Abyssea releases. I see the need for casual content, yes, grinding gets old at a certain point, Magian Trials bored me to death, but I see the need for it considering the current playerbase in the world. People have less time to play, and want to have more fun in less time, so you need to speed things up a bit. Dragon's Dogma is a good example, it's casual enough for people to get into it, but in my opinion lacks a hardcore approach, the battle engine doesn't lend itself, with pawns, to hardcore content, only more grinding and powerful weapons to overcome foes.

Someone mentioned that games require no skill, I disagree. Yes, you can follow wiki's to supply you with different setups and how to work it, but implementing specific setups strategies, while most of your playerbase is used to do it differently, requires a lot of skill in co-ordinating (sp?). That's what I liked most. And yes, it required skill by all players, maybe knowledge if you want to call it that, but knowing exactly what Each job does in battle when you're not used to it Does require skill. I only trusted certain players, who knew my playstyle, in airship battles (old difficulty), don't tell me that was easy, cause it wasn't. At all. I had loads of problems leading casual players through that battle, while I had no difficulty with experienced players, even if they didn't know how to do the airship fight, they knew the jobs, they knew the timing of their skillset and how to work the enemy. You have to know how each player works their job and how the rest of your party responds to such tactics. Good example: Dynamis-Xarcabard old skool. 4 white mages, but a shortage on sleepers, refreshers and whatnot. One Whm was very skilled at sleeping, knew the timing of the pulls, which mobs would wake first, how long his sleeps would last on any mob. He helped with sleeping, I assisted him and focused on using -na spells with him. The other 2 Whm played their original role within normal party setups. What I mean to say is knowing what is needed and react to certain situations without an ideal setup requires skill. A lot. Also understanding from your linkshell to know exactly what you are doing. We got a remark:"Wth are you doing? Stick to your original role". Trouble was, the leaders saw what we were doing and thought we were valuable by doing so. Heck, I even sack-pulled as Smn in some Dynamis cause people screwed strats up. Good example: Dynamis Jeuno. I sack pulled the boss in the last few minutes, cause no one did or knew how to, or screwed it up. Applying knowledge while not being in the right job is fun, and versatile.

My point? Give me hardcore content, and I'll play MMO's again, that doesn't have to be timesink content, while that is still needed to give people who play a lot enough to do. I'm glad Dark Souls filled that need for me, now I need the next game to give me that much challenge and fun, tailored to my preferences.

Edited, Jun 26th 2012 7:05pm by MonarctheFirst