A couple of posters mention FFXI and EQ having the best communities.
I didn't really get into EQ, but I'm almost certain XI was regarded as having a great community because of the relentless grind. [/i]
Unlike FFXIV you have played FFXI for more than a few weeks, right?
I played XIV from shortly after launch until a month after it went to subscription. Unless someone tore a hole in space, that adds up to more than a few weeks.
Alright, why are you almost certain that the FFXI's endless grind made its community so great? I could easily argue that endless grinding bores people and makes them leave a game. So why didn't they?
Obvious reasons. If you took a few more seconds before boiling over after you read my post(like you do after reading all of my posts), you probably could have put it together on your own.
As for why people didn't quit... they did. They didn't chase everyone off, but there were many people who quickly realized after trying XI that they wouldn't be able to commit the time it took to complete what would be a simple task(by today's standards) such as leveling up. Nevermind the grind for AF2, crafting, abjuration gear and HNM drops or a relic weapon.
Don't you think that this combination of factors are more important than your zillionth stab towards SE, the endless grinding?
Is it a 'stab' if it's the truth? Perhaps, but the grind was a grind and I'll call it what it was. I played XI and I didn't mind it, but I have sh*t to do today.
There was a lot of grinding involved, but if it was only that then we wouldn't have so many people who can share a lot of great, funny stories about what they saw of what happened to them in FFXI, or how stupid they were or how they were able to win a certain Burning Circle fight after a series of defeats, or would we?
It wasn't only grind, but it was mostly grind. Being that I played from shortly after NA release I can say with confidence that the majority of my time was spent grinding. I spent my young XI life grinding levels. After I decided on my favorite jobs I spent more time grinding the appropriate subjob levels. Once I reached the cap I spent time grinding merit points. When I was reasonably satisfied by that grind, I decided to grind combat and magic skillups. It wasn't enough. I needed more. Give me some weaponskill points to grind. Who gives a sh*t if the weaponskills are worthless right?
I took a break from all that grinding of levels, merits and skillups to grind some gil. For some odd reason, as if all that grinding wasn't enough, I was grinding gil so I could grind crafting levels. Go figure. If I wasn't grinding those then I was grinding dynamis because I like to get my grind on in the dark
My thirst for grind was still not quenched. SE cock-blocked my dynamis grind with a lockout so I had to find other events with lockout to grind. Occasionally I like to grind on furniture so I went to Nyzul to grind some lamps. Still not enough. SE switched it up and required that you grind assault so that you could grind salvage. @#%^ing brilliant. Take my @#%^ing money please.
Do you get the point or shall I continue? Because I can. I can go all @#%^ing day.
Love it or hate it, the grind is responsible for the community because it was an integral part of the game. When it takes months to cap a single job out of 16 and you could spend hours, days, weeks or even months leveling in the same few camps, you start to see the same faces in the same camps. You form a bond first out of familiarity and then out of necessity. These are the people you'll be relying on to carry you through the subjob quest, the airship key farming, the nation missions, the limit breaks ect.
I know you think it's your job to police the forums and call me out on everything I post that you feel paints SE or any of their games in a negative light, it really isn't. This is something you could have put together yourself if you'd actually given it thought instead of springing to the defense on SE despite the fact they don't need it.
You have a pretty low post count and believe me, I only point this out because I'd estimate that a good percentage of your posts are in response to me my puppet, but you should learn the basic features of this forum. Since I'm the helpful type, I'll give you a good bit of info you might not know. If you mouse-over my name and then click the 'Ignore' link (look for the circle with a slash through it), then you don't have to read anything I post ever unless you actually want to. This feature was made specifically for people just like you. People who can't accept the fact that other people have opinions that don't align with theirs and who can't be bothered to ignore something or read it without replying. Enjoy the rest of your stay. Edited, Jun 18th 2012 2:51am by FilthMcNasty