I dont want to have WAR as my subFollow

everybody and their mother play as MNK/WAR, at least from what I read. I do not want to have that. I want a sub like DNC or BST or even SAM. If my main is not MNK, I would want a main who benefits from /MNK. But from what I read from topics here, /DNC,BST,SAM is not a good idea. And I have not been able to find a topic on having MNK as a sub. Any advice on any of this would be great.

WAR/MNK is also loads of fun in Abyssea, Retaliation + Counterstance makes some NMs basically defeat themselves.

Also, while MNK/DNC is perfectly fine for soloing (in fact, probably the best combination for MNK solo), does not have any use when in a party, with proper healers and support. /BST is even less useful, and /SAM barely gives MNK anything good. So, long story short, /WAR for groups, /DNC for solo. /NIN used to have a place in groups, but lately shadows offer little to none protection agains the kind of attacks you face in a grouped event.

The first one, because it's popular. And I know I know, no one will let me in their party with strange combos such as MNK/SMN (which is what I wanted originally]. I guess I could level both DNC and WAR and change jobs whenever it is needed.

Thing is you're never full-timing any one sub. I hope despite your aversion to cookie-cutter subjobs, you'll still level all the appropriate ones. DNC is an excellent sub for MNK, especially soloing or healerless situations. In Abyssea, /WAR gives you access to 4 or 5 more red proc WSs if you have the right weapons; May be useful if you want to lowman something with just a healer. Sometimes it's not about what you want, it's about what benefits the group/situation the most.

I remember when MNKs used to complain that they didn't want to have to sub /NIN, and how they all wanted to be able to join groups as /WAR. My, how times have changed.

I feel like you want more to do than just punch and weapon skill. Maybe mnk isn't the best choice if you're looking for a more varied skill set.

This. And the H2H skill carries over, too.

Why sub any kind of mage when you won't have any decent MP, especially the most MP-hungry job there is? And with a level 49 avatar that can't hit anything, no less. (That's the same reason that /PUP sucks except when you need to solo L2 chains for breaking weapon latents. BST charm doesn't have the half-main-level limitation, but you don't get jug pets, either.)

Just because there are 380 possible job combinations doesn't mean that all of them are useful.

Also bst sub will not work in abyssea... I can't even think of one useful ja it has for that...

I'd like to echo what others said, it sounds like you want to play a different job. Think about what it is you want to do, then pick a job that fits that.

Special snowflakes....just....don't work. Sorry.

I really hope Jinte sees this post.

Actually, it says more about SE not allowing charming mobs where they are needed: Abyssea, Dynamis, VW (can't charm when in Confrontation, and too many fights are in lowbie areas anyhow), etc. The improved jug pets starting at level 76 are sort of SE's way of saying "sorry" about it.

This thread is giving me so much lol about PUP. (and WHM and PUP are my two mains)

Definitely PUP (beyond leveling it so that you have one more 99) is not mainstream.

And if you want to be REALLY special, don't ever unlock your subjob and play PUP that way. (muhahahahaaaaa... seriously, it's the "hard mode" I play on one of my mules for fun.)

but now you know.
The community has already been through the "whys and how comes" of job combos.

As stated,


The subjob (lit: support job) system is meant to allow you access to some extra abilities to enhance or support your main job, not to let you play two main jobs at once. Melee jobs and Mage jobs don't synch well because of this. Melee jobs are meant to melee and deal damage, and thus, benefit more from subbing other melee jobs that melee and deal damage, of which, warrior is universally the most useful offensive sub (ie: every single non-magic DD job benefits from subbing war, except war itself) followed by sam (for 2h jobs) and nin (for 1h jobs). Nin is also the strongest defensive sub in the game, for any job, followed by dnc for melee, which, while nearly as strong, costs you significant damage to maintain your defense (ie: using TP to heal yourself instead of WSing to kill sh*t faster) so it takes a back seat to nin.

You'd best just give up on any notions of being a special snowflake or playing against the norm, in this game, the norm doesn't exist because it's popular, but rather, because it's the only sh*t that works worth a damn. Every mnk in full DD mode subs war because none of the other 18 jobs give anything close to the same amount melee damage increasing tools, to the point that with most of them, you're basically going into the fight with your balls in a vice. Melee jobs like mnk, war, sam, drk, drg (and rng, though it's not actually a "melee" job) are meant to dish out big amounts of physical damage. That's it. That's why they're invited to a group 95% of the time. Subbing a job that doesn't help them do that when they don't need the defensive benefits of /nin (seriously, nin is the only defensive subjob, unless you're fighting something that ignores shadows). Yes, there are times in lowman groups where you can fill a random niche roll with a different sub, but even then, it's nearly always "sub dnc to be more self sufficient"

Basically, every job has its best subs, and those subs are really the only subs that are remotely acceptable, because anything else is not much different than subbing nothing at all. Mage jobs are much the same way, but I'm not really a big mage player, so I can't speak to how that all works. If you only want to be a special butterfly who goes against the norm, purely for the sake of going against the norm, well, let me put it simply...

This.
Is.
Not.
The.
Game.
For.
You.


haetugaiz

Wait, we have new arguments?

A certain WHM/THF comes to mind.

Funny thing is, since the advent of Abyssea, I actually do use /THF on my WHM dual box a lot, due to being able to have TH4 which is pretty dang nice

Atma of Dread and TH Tarutaru Sash.

Woah woah woah. Relax little lady, do not get your panties in a bunch. I am going to assume you did not see the last post I made explaining why I wanted to be a MNK/SMN. If I had known sub job levels get cut in half it would have hit me that such a combo would be useless. But I didn't. Yes, while I researched what sub jobs are good for Monks, not once did I see a statement saying sub job levels are cut in half. Must have been looking at the wrong forum topics. Might have even missed your forum topic. MY BAD. :P

Oh God don't bring Anna into this please

And in this case, said person was equally as notorious for particularly nasty temper tantrums as much as anything else.

And you know why I did too

Because you're a meanie face!

He happened to be one of the RL friends of my uncle, who got me started playing FFXI. Trouble is, he had a temper to end all tempers (although I did get the exact story of the class ring incident from my uncle, well...he's a bit of a bard of tall tales, so....yea I took that with a grain of salt)

So yea, he was in my LS for a while, but he's long since quit FFXI (as in right before the 75 cap was lifted) and I really don't see him coming back.



Edited, Aug 25th 2012 8:45pm by Magicalsquirrel

Personally, I've been playing it slowly and soloing up levels, only to realize it's the most fun I've ever had. I'm not literally playing next to people, but with an active LS to keep you company and to listen to your shenanigans, it doesn't get that lonely, really. Don't listen to those people; you play how you want. You aren't trying to play like it's "the good ol' days", but you're trying to play like it's an exciting new world just waiting for you to explore it. At least that's how I see it.

Oh, no, that's not what I meant at all! I specifically meant how you progress through the game and at what pace, not how you play your job when you're around other people.