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#1 Jul 18 2012 at 5:08 PM Rating: Good
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I interviewed a few chocobos about holding our gear for us and they stated:
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Wark!?

I'm guessing they're not quite ready yet...

That's okay chocobos... For those of you juggling your equipment, weapons, and items, development gave us a nice bit of inventory information!

This may take a bit of time but they are proactively checking to see if it's technically possible to have additional inventory space as well as expanding the Mog Sack's maximum capacity.

As some of you may have heard, we will first be making adjustments so that it will be possible to access your Mog Storage from places other than your home nation.
We'll be sure to keep you updated as we progress!

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/25341-Storage-Woes-Suggestion-FAT-CHOCOBO!?p=339558#post339558

Nice to see the access storage adjustment idea wasn't cut.
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Mog Chocobo.

From the initial lines of the post, I'm imagining that....
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Still need to make it so you can equip from Sack/Satchel, too.
#5 Jul 18 2012 at 7:46 PM Rating: Excellent
Are they... Actually... trying to get the code to make sense.... So they can do things for the player?

WHO ARE YOU AND WHAT HAVE YOU DONE WITH THE SQUARE WE'VE HATED AND LOATHED!

I am seriously taken aback by their sudden tackling of things deemed to annoying.
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Haven't they been looking into letting us access storage outside our home nation for over a year now?
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#7 Jul 18 2012 at 8:33 PM Rating: Good
Step 1: Drop ps2.

Step 2: Update game and add all kind of things.


I would love me some more slots. And how hard can it be to turn on the ability to access storage when not in your nation? It isn't like I had to take out all them items before I changed Nations >.>
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[sm]Step 1: Drop ps2.>



My first thought when I read it. But they arent dropping ps2 in Japan though. So I dunno.
#9 Jul 18 2012 at 9:27 PM Rating: Good
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Swap PS2 with Tanaka, then. :P
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give PC users more inventory space then. Currently AFAIK (outside of japan) it is presently the only way to obtain the game (PC). I don't think Sony is even making FFXI capable machines anymore. (although they might have a reserved warehouse....but I doubt it at this point in time). The PS2 is dead, not because it is holding back this game, but because it no longer actually supports this game. No content purchases, no Hardware purchases.

(As for the Xbox, leave it out too.)
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Swap PS2 with Tanaka, then. :P


Without Tanaka you wouldn't be playing FFXI period... maybe WoW or EQ2. I just get annoyed that people butcher the man. Yeah, he didn't change with the times but he did make FFXI possible.
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Prrsha wrote:
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Swap PS2 with Tanaka, then. :P


Without Tanaka you wouldn't be playing FFXI period... maybe WoW or EQ2. I just get annoyed that people butcher the man. Yeah, he didn't change with the times but he did make FFXI possible.

An online FF was inevitable. Maybe sooner, maybe later... but it was going to happen, with or without Tanaka. There's nothing saying it's inherently better for his initial involvement.

True, he's responsible for much of the game we play today... but he's also responsible for much of the game we play today, if you follow my meaning.
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I would love to have more than 8 delivery slots, inventory wouldn't be an issue for me if it wasn't so damn annoying to move stuff to mules.

Or if they could make it so we could send things from within our mog house, then logging in and out would be fast. I'd take either option.
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I would love to have more than 8 delivery slots, inventory wouldn't be an issue for me if it wasn't so damn annoying to move stuff to mules.

Or if they could make it so we could send things from within our mog house, then logging in and out would be fast. I'd take either option.

Moving items between characters on the same account could stand to be much more streamlined. It'd be nice to side-step the delivery function altogether, allow for more autonomous swapping of items between characters, maybe via the POL portal (since they insist on keeping it).
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#15 Jul 19 2012 at 8:34 AM Rating: Excellent
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I would love to have more than 8 delivery slots, inventory wouldn't be an issue for me if it wasn't so damn annoying to move stuff to mules.

Or if they could make it so we could send things from within our mog house, then logging in and out would be fast. I'd take either option.



They could do what Phantasy Star Universe did. On top of a shared storage space between characters to make it easier to give things to them. Much later in it's life they made it so when you were in your other characters room(Since you could always go there) you can go up to their equivalent of a moogle and use it's storage as if you were on your alt. Put things in take things out. Ya da Ya da.
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Maybe when Seekers brings us those "personal harvest islands," they could add player housing. All your characters could access it, and it could have shared storage.
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I think from what the OP meant (yes I went there to read the thread) they actually meant Fat Chocobo:

This is prolly the most recognizable incarnation of it. (I'd embed the pic if the board let me, but won't let me because I'm not premium) It was actually in FF3 (the original FF3; I don't mean FF6) as well. For those that haven't played either FF3 or FF4; you'd use a Carrot or special green (I understand originally in JP it was Gyshakl Greens or something; First guy who translated it from JP to English just wrote it as carrot tho) and it'd pop up where it smelled like Chocobos, and you could give him your excess stuff to store for you.)

But it's good news that they are expanding bags again; we sure need it!

Edited, Jul 19th 2012 2:31pm by maryadavies
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I actually laughed at the "Wark!?" XD I miss this game a little ._.
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Prrsha wrote:
Seriha wrote:
Swap PS2 with Tanaka, then. :P


Without Tanaka you wouldn't be playing FFXI period... maybe WoW or EQ2. I just get annoyed that people butcher the man. Yeah, he didn't change with the times but he did make FFXI possible.

The constant Tanaka hate bothers me too (not because I like tanaka, but because I'm @#%^ing tired of hearing people bitching about him), but I have to admit that it's pretty funny timing on their part. The second he's gone, they start announcing that they're gonna fix all this sh*t we've been griping about for years, and that they've previously mentioned wasn't a priority for them. Wouldn't shock me if it's "We've wanted to fix this as long as you've been bitching about it, but he wouldn't @#%^ing let us" Smiley: laugh
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Am I the only one who clicked on this thread expecting actual baby photos [of Jinte]? o.O

Except if it were baby photos, it would be like looking at before and afters of Michael Jackson. Only instead of turning into a white guy, he changes into a chick!
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Prrsha wrote:
Seriha wrote:
Swap PS2 with Tanaka, then. :P


Without Tanaka you wouldn't be playing FFXI period... maybe WoW or EQ2. I just get annoyed that people butcher the man. Yeah, he didn't change with the times but he did make FFXI possible.

The constant Tanaka hate bothers me too (not because I like tanaka, but because I'm @#%^ing tired of hearing people bitching about him), but I have to admit that it's pretty funny timing on their part. The second he's gone, they start announcing that they're gonna fix all this sh*t we've been griping about for years, and that they've previously mentioned wasn't a priority for them. Wouldn't shock me if it's "We've wanted to fix this as long as you've been bitching about it, but he wouldn't @#%^ing let us" Smiley: laugh


I would have loved to see what when on in their HQ from 2002 to present. There are so many unanswered questions... I'd hope Tanaka would just spill the beans about the matter but I'd doubt that in their culture.

Or maybe they inplant a chip in your brain when you join Enix that zaps you if you violate their non-discloser act. As Cave Johnson says... "It's for SCIENCE!" I just hope he didn't inhale any moon rock dust.
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Who's with me? Equipped gear doesnt count as inventory space!

Locker access outside of moghouse!

Discussed: Storage in all nations? Yes please!
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Seriha wrote:
Swap PS2 with Tanaka, then. :P


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Who's with me? Equipped gear doesnt count as inventory space!
that would likely complicate gear swapping to the point of making it nearly or entirely impossible. Can you imagine what would happen to this game if we suddenly found it even more difficult or impossible to gearswap?
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Am I the only one who clicked on this thread expecting actual baby photos [of Jinte]? o.O

Except if it were baby photos, it would be like looking at before and afters of Michael Jackson. Only instead of turning into a white guy, he changes into a chick!
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Who's with me? Equipped gear doesnt count as inventory space!
that would likely complicate gear swapping to the point of making it nearly or entirely impossible. Can you imagine what would happen to this game if we suddenly found it even more difficult or impossible to gearswap?


I tried and my brain exploded. Smiley: lol

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Prrsha wrote:
Seriha wrote:
Swap PS2 with Tanaka, then. :P


Without Tanaka you wouldn't be playing FFXI period... maybe WoW or EQ2. I just get annoyed that people butcher the man. Yeah, he didn't change with the times but he did make FFXI possible.

An online FF was inevitable. Maybe sooner, maybe later... but it was going to happen, with or without Tanaka. There's nothing saying it's inherently better for his initial involvement.

True, he's responsible for much of the game we play today... but he's also responsible for much of the game we play today, if you follow my meaning.


Yeah, I agree on both counts, but who would have done better in SE? Most of the original "Square" staff that worked on the original FF series are gone now. Tanaka is just another one now. What confuses me is that people complain now a days that the new Final Fantasy games aren't like the old ones (which they say is bad) and other people say the new FF games should change with the times and adopt other playstyles (which makes them less like prior titles... which some people say is good).

So which is it? Continue in FF tradition or make something new? If you make something new should it be called "Final Fantasy" or given a new name? Just something for people to chew their brain on...

Edited, Jul 20th 2012 5:05am by Prrsha
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So are they ever going to update Event Item Storers? I noticed the other day that you still can't store Novennial gear on them. And we just got like 6 items the 10th aniv. event. I really don't want to have to use those stupid slips if I don't have to.
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Novennial gear won't go on the NPCs; gotta use Porter Slips.
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Novennial gear won't go on the NPCs; gotta use Porter Slips.


Why not? Damnit Matsui.

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Never


Just place the blame on Enix² and call it a day. Smiley: lol
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Ok. My post did not deserve sub default just because it wasn't liked by alot of people. Just sayin I believe discrimiation is involved here in the "rate down" arena. I don't care. I'm staying. I'm still going to post whether you like it or not. So, you might as well stop with the rate downs at every post I make. I'm not a troll. I try and think outside the box. I go against the grain. That's where tough decisions are made. So, sub-default me if you want to. I'll be back to continue to post my thoughts and ideas, no matter what.

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General rule of thumb: If someone disagrees with you, but they're not skilled with words, and they're lower on the intelligence scale, or they're just lazy, they'll use the rate-down button as an "I disagree" button for some stupid reason. It's been like this for years. However, bitching about getting rated down, or about karma in general, is grounds for immediate rate-downs, because it's just accepted practice. The trick is really, really simple: stop caring about karma. No one with any semblance of intelligence who's been here more than a few months actually cares about it, because it's an empty, meaningless number that really only reflects your popularity on the forum during your first 2000~3000 or so posts.

Also worth noting: Each individual title represents your Average Karma (ie: across every single one of your posts), and the four "ranks" are simply an indicator of what you're default karma score is on any new post (New users and "unranked" users (Light blue on FFXI's skin, like yourself) will post with "Default" as the, shockingly, Default rating, which is very easy to hit sub-default from. Scholars (Blue, formerly Goldenrod) have an initial rating of Decent on their posts, Sages (Green, formerly red) start out at Good, and Gurus (Red, formerly seafoam) start out at Excellent. The only time this doesn't hold true is if someone is so disliked that their average post is Sub-default, at which point they get auto-subdefault (and often don't realize it, which causes a great deal of entertainment for the rest of us) or someone is on the verge of changing "ranks" due to a higher end average score (Unranked with new posts at Decent, Scholars with new posts at Good (like me), Sages with new posts at Excellent).

Karma's just a silly number that determines the color of your username, not something to actually give a sh*t about. Smiley: laugh
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Am I the only one who clicked on this thread expecting actual baby photos [of Jinte]? o.O

Except if it were baby photos, it would be like looking at before and afters of Michael Jackson. Only instead of turning into a white guy, he changes into a chick!
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I think the reason people care about karma is that it's an indicator of how many people disagree with you, and there is very little in the world more (irrationally) frustrating than someone disagreeing with you and failing to provide a reason.

That said, aside from a pretty name it's meaningless. The best way to get a good score is to make empty/humor posts and never state any sort of strong opinion, since opinions lead to arguments and arguments lead to butthurt and red-arrow cyclones.
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What they need to do is make a secondary armor slots, that way we can wear two sets of armor and weapons and toggle it with one button, its a good idea but probably will never happen.

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I think he means two sets which fall into 'equipped' slots, thus freeing up 20-40 slots from your gobbiebag and allowing you to swap freely without running into issues once your bag fills up.

Unfortunately, that would only work for meathead DDs who have nothing but a TP set and a WS set. I think even most pure DDs have more sets than two.
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I still long for the day we can have a 'fashion' armor slot so we can look cool and cute while still macro swapping gear for maximum performance. More inventory would be nice too, but as a returning veteran I've long sinced figured out ways of dealing with the small amount of storage we do get and maximise its potential.

Storage from all mog houses would be a darned good start though. I hate travelling all the way to Windurst because I left my staff in storage.
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General rule of thumb: If someone disagrees with you, but they're not skilled with words, and they're lower on the intelligence scale, or they're just lazy, they'll use the rate-down button as an "I disagree" button for some stupid reason. It's been like this for years. However, bitching about getting rated down, or about karma in general, is grounds for immediate rate-downs, because it's just accepted practice.

You make it out to be more complicated than it really is. People rate-up what they want to see more of, and rate-down what they want to see less of. That's all there really is to it.
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Pockets for each gear slot in the inventory: Main, Sub, Ranged, Ammo, Head, Neck, Ear, Body, Waist, Hands, Fingers, Back, Legs, Feet--with one more pocket for miscellaneous/consumables/everything else, maybe one extra pocket specifically for Bazaar. Pocket space follows the size of one's Gobbiebag, just like Locker, Satchel, and Sack.

I'd like to say that should be more equipment and item space than any or us should ever need, but we all know that the moment it was implemented there'd be a thousand players that've filled it to capacity.

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Here's how I think a fashion slot would work:

You set your 16 gear slots with your "fashion" gear. You lock these in place.

- This gear is now locked and can only be removed via a Job Change or at a moogle.
- This gear cannot be accessed as part of a gear swap set.
- This gear is what you appear to wear at all times.
- This gear is removed from your inventory
- Gear may be swapped out as normal on the field, as part of macros. However, no matter what you swap out in a slow, your appearance never changes.

This would allow you to keep your fashionable gear set, AND prevent the blinking gear issue that has plagued FFXI since day 1.
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Only need 7 slots for fashion gear.

or maybe 8... I forget if ammo forces you to blink

Edited, Jul 26th 2012 11:16am by xypin
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I think weapons should also be left out of fashion gear, if it's locked down and taken out of inventory. What's the point of having Aegis if people don't see the shiny gold and green shield on your character?
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Be a DRK, wear WHM af, change your weapon to a staff, profit.

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I prefer the white lace of the zodiac subligaria, but that's just me. I find it freaks more people out for some reason.
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#49 Jul 26 2012 at 2:56 PM Rating: Excellent
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Only need 7 slots for fashion gear.

or maybe 8... I forget if ammo forces you to blink

Edited, Jul 26th 2012 11:16am by xypin


Ammo by itself cannot force you to blink, unless that ammo causes you to unequip a ranged weapon you have equipped.
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Also worth noting: Each individual title represents your Average Karma (ie: across every single one of your posts), and the four "ranks" are simply an indicator of what you're default karma score is on any new post (New users and "unranked" users (Light blue on FFXI's skin, like yourself) will post with "Default" as the, shockingly, Default rating, which is very easy to hit sub-default from. Scholars (Blue, formerly Goldenrod) have an initial rating of Decent on their posts, Sages (Green, formerly red) start out at Good, and Gurus (Red, formerly seafoam) start out at Excellent. The only time this doesn't hold true is if someone is so disliked that their average post is Sub-default, at which point they get auto-subdefault (and often don't realize it, which causes a great deal of entertainment for the rest of us) or someone is on the verge of changing "ranks" due to a higher end average score (Unranked with new posts at Decent, Scholars with new posts at Good (like me), Sages with new posts at Excellent).


Actually, I don't think Sages can have new posts at Excellent (an Admin can correct me if I'm wrong here), because as far as I know the dividing line between defaulting to "Good" and defaulting to "Excellent" puts you in Guru territory. Karma systems are inherently weird, though, in that your posts when you are brand new and nobody knows whether you're joking or just an idiot (for example) matter far more to your average score than posts you make after you're an established authority on <X Topic> and have made a highly informative post about it.

e.g. On my /. account, I got -1ed on my very first post (which was a joke about Windows crashing or something, iirc) and thereafter pretty much none of my posts ever were even visible (unlike ZAM's No Filter, Slashdot's Browse at -1 is just a testament to their lazy mods/refusal to ban any but the worst offenders, and enabling anonymous posting probably has a lot to do with it, too), which led to me not posting there any more, even though I read it virtually every day.

But yeah, post content > poster name color. If any veteran ZAM poster wanted to be a Guru that badly, they could easily make a new account and play all the right cards to get rated up enough to be a Guru within their first 50 posts (or whatever the minimum limit is). The fact that this doesn't happen is a testament to the lol in lolKarma, as well as Kao's tendency to banninate sockpuppets.
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#51 Jul 26 2012 at 3:02 PM Rating: Excellent
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Aliekber wrote:
Actually, I don't think Sages can have new posts at Excellent (an Admin can correct me if I'm wrong here), because as far as I know the dividing line between defaulting to "Good" and defaulting to "Excellent" puts you in Guru territory.
If you're a Sage on the verge of Guru, your posts will default to Excellent.
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