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#1 Apr 22 2012 at 4:15 PM Rating: Good
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That this game will get a graphics overhaul for the PC version and/or 360 version? It would be really tight if that happened.
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For the PC, there's more of a chance now than compared to years ago (considering their recent UI revamps for PC-only). 360 is doubtful.

Maybe they could redo the character models, but doing a full blown overhaul would take a lot of time (would have to redo the armor models etc).
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For PC, the chance is currently 100% for a UI change, since they've already started on it. Graphical overhaul? I'd say roughly 10% chance if FFXIV is any more of a miserable failure; I'd then expect some kind of migration of FFXI on to the Crystal Tools engine and perhaps some temporary use of FFXIV assets.
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For PC, the chance is currently 100% for a UI change, since they've already started on it. Graphical overhaul? I'd say roughly 10% chance if FFXIV is any more of a miserable failure; I'd then expect some kind of migration of FFXI on to the Crystal Tools engine and perhaps some temporary use of FFXIV assets.


XI fully ported to Crystal Tools would be so damn awesome....

But sh*t, I'd need to do another PC upgrade to play it Smiley: frown
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Graphical overhaul? I'd say roughly 10% chance if FFXIV is any more of a miserable failure; I'd then expect some kind of migration of FFXI on to the Crystal Tools engine and perhaps some temporary use of FFXIV assets.

I'm inclined to agree wih this, if when FFXIV 2.0 fails, and assuming Tanaka and his crew haven't made the entire playerbase quit, there's a slight chance that they'll put some effort into upgrading FFXI, to try and keep some kind of profit from their MMOs.
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For PC, the chance is currently 100% for a UI change, since they've already started on it. Graphical overhaul? I'd say roughly 10% chance if FFXIV is any more of a miserable failure; I'd then expect some kind of migration of FFXI on to the Crystal Tools engine and perhaps some temporary use of FFXIV assets.

But XIV shows that SE still can't produce a usable more modern gfx system. XIV's graphics at times are pretty cool, some of the character rendition is good, but it has a horribly close draw distance which means as you walk there's a visible stark line between low and high res. textures which 'rolls' as you move along. It's as ugly as sin. Some areas are great, I love Gridania, but this ugly low/high transition really detracts.

And let's not talk about the horrible performance it has, needing bleeding-edge gfx cards to be able to turn up the settings .. and it STILL uses the same rendering system that means hardware-based AA has zero effect and even at full there's a noticable shimmer with features such as trees as they sway.

No, I'd prefer to keep XI's dated but entirely usable system rather than XIV's which looks cool in static pictures but is dire to move around in.
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You know FFXI's characters don't really look that bad all things considered. They just aren't always displayed consistently. I would assume the detail varies based on camera distance and number of characters rendered, but I won't pretend to understand such things.

It's the environments, especially older ones, that need work. We have low detail/res textures and pixelated skies and clouds. Water effects are pretty sad in some areas while halfway decent in others. Older zones need to be brought up to the standards of newer ones at the very least. I think that would do a lot for the overall graphical feel of the game while not rendering it unplayable to a large number of people.
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I don't think rehauling the engine is a great use of resources and I'm sure it'll never happen. The game is winding down. A graphical overhaul of FFXI certainly won't bring in many new players (few people would want to join in a 10 year old game in this state) and it won't encourage people to keep playing for much longer than they otherwise would have. It's not a good financial decision for SE.

On the other hand I think a lot of players have been waiting for a game that will be the spiritual successor to XI if it ever happens and I'm sure that SE would like to bring in fresh subscribers, so I would be all for making an FFXI 2.0 (what FFXIV should have been, if SE's goal was profit anyway). I think the market is begging for a simple rehash. I think the FFXI community should make clear what they want from a new SE MMO, because as much people cling to FFXI it's not going to be around in a lively state forever.

For many years I have been waiting for a game that brings back the feelings I had for FF11 when I first played it in 2004. :(

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I don't know. SE has managed to successfully get everyone to play the non MMO titles many times through, even on new platforms. Hell, I saw a room mate playing through my sprite port of FFVI on the PS3 the other day.

If SE sweetens the pot with a graphics overhaul (and make it an OPTIONAL overall, so those on low end PCs can still play), that might entice some folks who skipped over XI ten years ago to decide to give it a try.
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But single player games don't change with time. MMOs do. Old content becomes redundant/neglected and the focus of the game changes completely.

I'm a retired player who started in 2004. I played just about enough to get to level 75 and do a little bit of end game stuff, but I still pop by on the forums sometimes. I quit a little while before Abyssea was released (but after WotG), so I can't really talk about it. But from my perspective of being outside the game (which I assume corresponds with the perspective of the other hundreds of thousands of players who used to play but now don't - people SE presumably would like to subscribe again), these are the impressions I get:

1) Raising the level cap to 99 appeared like a final attempt to extend the life of the game by bringing back the XP and gear grind for end-gamers.
2) Old content seems to be no longer relevant judging from glances at the forums. Of course it's still there and playable, but I gather it's either no longer a challenge or finding people to do it with is near impossible (it was hard enough during EU hours even when it was new). New players are socially obliged to focus on recent content. Of course this is inevitably the case with any MMO as it ages and introduces new content and SE has understandably made it easy for new players to rush to 99 to catch up, but this brings me to (3).
3) To outsiders at least, recent content just appears to be a collection of new zones and mobs which are just recoloured versions of the old zones and mobs to facilitate the late game gear grind.

None of these things really encourage people to come back or try FFXI for the first time. From what it seems, I don't think a new player now will get as much out of the game as one starting in 2004 would, say. In the end, people want to be part of something new and experience a journey, not race past the real quality content of the game and then only get to experience grinding through stuff that was only put in as a stop gap to keep people subscribing.

Of course these are just impressions of an outsider. If the situation is different, SE should advertise so.

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For PC, the chance is currently 100% for a UI change, since they've already started on it. Graphical overhaul? I'd say roughly 10% chance if FFXIV is any more of a miserable failure; I'd then expect some kind of migration of FFXI on to the Crystal Tools engine and perhaps some temporary use of FFXIV assets.

But XIV shows that SE still can't produce a usable more modern gfx system. XIV's graphics at times are pretty cool, some of the character rendition is good, but it has a horribly close draw distance which means as you walk there's a visible stark line between low and high res. textures which 'rolls' as you move along. It's as ugly as sin. Some areas are great, I love Gridania, but this ugly low/high transition really detracts.

And let's not talk about the horrible performance it has, needing bleeding-edge gfx cards to be able to turn up the settings .. and it STILL uses the same rendering system that means hardware-based AA has zero effect and even at full there's a noticable shimmer with features such as trees as they sway.

No, I'd prefer to keep XI's dated but entirely usable system rather than XIV's which looks cool in static pictures but is dire to move around in.
I have never seen this texture issue u describe in XIV, now granted I have a pretty "bleeding edge", as you put it, pc, but I dont remember seeing it on my old PC either
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Few people will deny that FFXIV is a gorgeous game to look at. FFXI using the same level of graphics would be utterly breathtaking, but at this point I'd also wager it would be akin to rebuilding the entire game from scratch. The sheer number of items and characters in the game would make such a conversion more work than they are likely to see a return on which, from a business perspective, is a bad idea.

Much like WoW's "upgrade" , the best we can hope for are a few filter effects and updated GUI. I'm still crossing my fingers for the day FFXIV becomes enough of a game to enjoy playing without being chained to repeatable levequests ad infinitum. That's the day I'd consider migrating to FFXIV full time.
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For PC, the chance is currently 100% for a UI change, since they've already started on it. Graphical overhaul? I'd say roughly 10% chance if FFXIV is any more of a miserable failure; I'd then expect some kind of migration of FFXI on to the Crystal Tools engine and perhaps some temporary use of FFXIV assets.


XI fully ported to Crystal Tools would be so damn awesome....

But sh*t, I'd need to do another PC upgrade to play it Smiley: frown

Dont think they will go mental like they did with XIV which actually requires some power. My PC plays most recent games with no trouble in fact the only game I have had trouble with lag is XIV.

SE will probably not do the same on XI (If they did do a overhaul) they will make it more accessible then XIV. I can hope.

Wouldnt say no to a graphics overhaul, would I buy it? Probably. Might even make me want to start a new Char or just some new job and go repeat old content just to see how it all looks.

Bit of a job though doing that though, as much as its easy to "Replace textures" there is a lot of textures there to do.
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Is 0 still considered a chance?

Well, considering that it is a non-negative (connotation then left to the reader's discretion) whole number, then yes... yes I suppose it is.
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Few people will deny that FFXIV is a gorgeous game to look at. FFXI using the same level of graphics would be utterly breathtaking, but at this point I'd also wager it would be akin to rebuilding the entire game from scratch. The sheer number of items and characters in the game would make such a conversion more work than they are likely to see a return on which, from a business perspective, is a bad idea.

Much like WoW's "upgrade" , the best we can hope for are a few filter effects and updated GUI. I'm still crossing my fingers for the day FFXIV becomes enough of a game to enjoy playing without being chained to repeatable levequests ad infinitum. That's the day I'd consider migrating to FFXIV full time.


If SE wanted FFXI players to migrate why did they change the gameplay so much in XIV? :( There's hardly any partying till max level it seems now, just soloing to 50. Feels like a lonely game without any journey in comparison.
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