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#1 Apr 16 2012 at 8:29 AM Rating: Default
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Let's take a step back from the mediocre drop rates for a moment and look at the things that you've seen your alliance members do, the things that literally make you face-palm. Feel free to add your own observations and experiences.

1. Blue Mages that do not use Bilgestorm, even during White !! lock.
25% Attack Down / Defense Down / Accuracy Down - Stronger than Angon and Tachi: Ageha. Impossible to resist with Efflux and Chain Affinity AND can be cast even if spells have been recently changed and are resetting, use it.

2. Scholar and /Scholar not having all Helix spells.
There's no god damn excuse, the spells are gotten from an NPC. I've seen this happen too many times.

3. Ninjas missing "San" spells.
Given how much EXP/Limit Points you get per fight... again, no excuse.

3. Ninjas forgetting Enfeebling Ninja Tools.
Mog Satchel and Mog Sack are there for a reason.

4. Red Mages missing Bio III, Slow II, Paralyze II, Dia III, Blind II.
See point 3.

5. Front line jobs spamming their strongest weapon skills when they could be getting a 3 or 5 proc.
Ukko's Fury is strong and all that jazz, but you can't spam it when you run out of Temporary Items and you end up dead. Stop swinging your E-Peen and get a proc weapon out if it appears. Dragoons seem to forget that they have access to every single Staff proc to save mages risking getting hurt.

6. Front line jobs not having Fanatic's Drink, Fool's Drink, and Cleric's Drink macros.
Cleric's Drink is a lifesaver in some fights like Kaggen or Gaunab when your front line needs that strong Bio removing fast. Save yourself 5-10 seconds of rummaging though your Temporary Items and just macro it.

7. Alliance leaders shouting for a group and not having the Abyssite to pop themselves.
Seriously?

8. Corsair that still use Miser's Roll.
Not worth using anymore guys, Chaos Roll says "Hi".

9. Weapon Bash, Tomahawk, Angon, Bounty Shot, and Blade Bash not being saved incase it shows up as a 1 or 3 proc later on in the battle.
Speaks for itself.

10. People not clearing the Pyxis after a successful kill.
MAJOR peeve of mine, spend 1-2 minutes killing Qilin... spend 4-5 minutes waiting for Pyxis to be emptied.

11. Boasting about "Finally" getting the rarest drop.
Congrats, now stop yelling about it - it makes you sound like a douchebag.

12. Putting "Emp DD ONLY" in a party shout.
Numerous jobs actually have better options available. OaT Great Sword and OaT Polearm are great examples of this. TP Bonus Great Katana is another. I'd rather have a non-emp front line job that knows his procs and gets them fast rather than some EMP Dark Knight who just spams Torcleaver over and over.
While we're here, shouting for a Corsair to have Armageddon (Although he has Bedlam+2) or no invite is @#%^ing stupid.


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#2 Apr 16 2012 at 8:39 AM Rating: Decent
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People that say in party "Finally Mob XYZ dropped the <rarest to obtain item>" when they have fought XYZ less than several hundred times. If you're 1/100, "finally" doesn't apply. Be glad you got lucky. There are those of us that were fighting it before you beat your first VWNM and still are. For example, 3 phasmida belts in 220 Kaggen kills. Zero bodies.

Better yet, just don't comment at all about your items in PUGs. No one cares.
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"Empy only"

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#4 Apr 16 2012 at 10:03 AM Rating: Excellent
This is coming from common people that are now shouting on Valefor server.

-People asking to have 3 "correct" level 15 atmacites even for easy mobs like kaggen or akvan now. If you have discipline at 15 it doesn't count to them.

-People requesting to do 6 of x VNM because they've cleared all zones and they make sure all of Port Jeuno knows about it.

-Inviting a lvl 85 masa sam that does fudo at 300 tp at the start of the fight, pops a wing and sekkanokis/shohas 2 times > meditate shoha when he can. Fudo usally does <2K damage, and 2-3K depending on the mob for shoha.

A level 99 tp bonus GK can Sekkanoki shoha>shoha, pop wings shoha, meditate and spam shoha from there on out. With the right atmacites a sam can have +200tp bonus, so at 100tp he really has 300tp which gives a 2.65 multiplier. At 100 tp if there is a noob masa sam with no tp bonus at all, he gets a 1.375 multiplier. This add up (in the short term fights, not long drawn out ones) that the 99 TP bonus gk is better and people fail to get the stick out of their butt and realise this simple fact.

-Ukko wars that only spam ukko's furry when there are several other procs on other weapons that could be done. Literally can have a HV GA proc and the only war in the group doesn't respond to chat at all during the whole fight and spams only ukko's, dies, then cries in pt that we need procs.

-Several people that can proc x spell/ws/job ability. One guy procs it, doesn't say he proced it and others still go for it.

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Eh, I'm willing to give some leniency toward merit procs. Not all jobs have to sacrifice to get them, and BLM (6)/RDM (5)/NIN (6) stand out here. It'll be nice when/if these requirements are wiped from the entirety of VW, but I still think SE are a bunch of knuckleheads (Say it like Charles Barkley, now) in not making all merit spells/JAs acquired by more natural means by now.
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Well for that matter give DRK Bio 3 already, or Bio 4 so you can Tanakabalance it and make the mana cost horrendous, and let SCH dig into higher tiers of Dia/Bio too (screw WHM having Dia 3, I agree they have their own advantages, or give RDM tier 4+).

I feel like a few jobs have been shorted on certain spells because of Merits associated with them. This didn't stop them giving native Protect V and Shell V to non-WHM though, just not in -ra form.

So yeah, they could keep them procs and just remove the strange exclusivity to certain jobs and let DRK or especially SCH have a few extra.
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Omgstupidmouselolllll wrote:

-Ukko wars that only spam ukko's furry when there are several other procs on other weapons that could be done. Literally can have a HV GA proc and the only war in the group doesn't respond to chat at all during the whole fight and spams only ukko's, dies, then cries in pt that we need procs.



The corollary to this is that 3 Ukko's Warriors are invited to do the damage and the other DD's without empyreans but covering the procs are doing nothing but spamming their most powerful WS and thereby neither getting procs or doing the best damage possible. I see this much more often. Even seen Thief spamming Evisceration. Yiiikes.

Usually in a good UF spam, the rest of the party supports them and mobs die in about 2-4 minutes.
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Eh, I'm willing to give some leniency toward merit procs. Not all jobs have to sacrifice to get them, and BLM (6)/RDM (5)/NIN (6) stand out here. It'll be nice when/if these requirements are wiped from the entirety of VW, but I still think SE are a bunch of knuckleheads (Say it like Charles Barkley, now) in not making all merit spells/JAs acquired by more natural means by now.
But it is the way it is, and it is the only way RDM can even sniff a VW ally. Have the merit spells or come on something else.

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-You can add Addle to the list of things you shouldn't cast unless it is a weakness.
-Not starting with the lowest tier of debuffs (i.e. casting Dia II before Diaga).
-Hitting the NM with a NQ proc while it is staggered instead of HQing it.
-Not HQing a fast and easy proc (such as Chi Blast).
-Not being able to stun Death Prophet even though it is the easiest thing to stun in the game.
-Mages facing Akvan.
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8. Corsair that still use Miser's Roll.
Not worth using anymore guys, Chaos Roll says "Hi".


Well admittedly if all the DD's in the COR party have atmacite of discipline then Miser's is still broken (just not broken as much). And chaos/miser's was better than tact/miser's for any zerg fight.
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4. Red Mages missing Bio III, Slow II, Paralyze II, Dia III, Blind II.
See point 3.


Oh, so RDMs are expected to neuter their merit build to do VW? That's swell, but not everyone is going to be on the same page as you.

My beef here is with the designers, not other players. If this irritates you so much, ask your RDMs if they have the spells before you invite them.

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11. Boasting about "Finally" getting the rarest drop.
Congrats, now stop yelling about it - it makes you sound like a douchebag.


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-You can add Addle to the list of things you shouldn't cast unless it is a weakness.


Uh, why? :/

Wouldn't a longer spellcasting time make it easier to land timed staggers?
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1/2 on kaggen body and I don't have any job that can use it.


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Oh, so RDMs are expected to neuter their merit build to do VW? That's swell, but not everyone is going to be on the same page as you.

My beef here is with the designers, not other players. If this irritates you so much, ask your RDMs if they have the spells before you invite them.
If they want to come RDM then they really should have the unique RDM procs, otherwise not much is bring brought to the table.


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Uh, why? :/

Wouldn't a longer spellcasting time make it easier to land timed staggers?
If it comes up as a trigger, you can't reapply it until it wears. In my experience it's generally not advisable to debuff NMs because you're riding fanatics anyway. It may be that I suck, but I have a much easier time staggering mobs during TP moves than during spells.
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-Inviting a lvl 85 masa sam that does fudo at 300 tp at the start of the fight, pops a wing and sekkanokis/shohas 2 times > meditate shoha when he can. Fudo usally does <2K damage, and 2-3K depending on the mob for shoha.

A level 99 tp bonus GK can Sekkanoki shoha>shoha, pop wings shoha, meditate and spam shoha from there on out. With the right atmacites a sam can have +200tp bonus, so at 100tp he really has 300tp which gives a 2.65 multiplier. At 100 tp if there is a noob masa sam with no tp bonus at all, he gets a 1.375 multiplier. This add up (in the short term fights, not long drawn out ones) that the 99 TP bonus gk is better and people fail to get the stick out of their butt and realise this simple fact.



Get better sams, 90 Masa at level 3 AM is still relevant, and post miser's nerf White damage still matters. If the rest of gear/skill/buffs is the same TP bonus will not beat 90 Masa.



Edited, Apr 16th 2012 11:06pm by Neisan
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11. Boasting about "Finally" getting the rarest drop.
Congrats, now stop yelling about it - it makes you sound like a douchebag.


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My temper doesn't make others any less of a douchebag.

Particularly the folks who still need to put some serious basic work into the rest of their builds and that rare drop is something they probably don't know how to use well.

Just sayin'...
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#16Neisan, Posted: Apr 16 2012 at 11:40 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Also what the heck is this nonsense about 'neutering' merit build for Rdm. Any Rdm without Dia III needs to be taken out back and shot regardless. Slow and Para are usual merits. The only 2 outliers are Bio/Blind, which cut into either Dia or Phalanx merits if you went that route. Congratulations though, they take them out for the final chapter, so you can be fairly useless if you went Rdm there.
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Slow and Para are usual merits.


Nope. They're potentially good spells (but not even against everything, since they gradually made many things either immune to the enfeebles or pointless because they spam TP moves anyway), but they are not no-brainers because RDM has too many alternatives and styles of play.

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Nin Blm and Smn also have to 'waste' merits in G2, you're not kicking up about it because you deem them useless/it doesn't affect you.


Actually I think it rather sucks that NIN can't max NTE and keep the whole San wheel.

I'd care more if I actually cared about lollogwatch, though.

Still think that either the merit category caps need to be lifted or merit abilities as procs need to be done away with, but it's not like I'm going to close my account if they don't.
#18 Apr 17 2012 at 2:20 AM Rating: Excellent
Well, in the Provenance battlefields, they did change it so that abilities and spells obtained from merits would no longer be possible staggers, and they did suggest that, while at the time it was limited solely to Provenance, they were looking into expanding it into the earlier Voidwatch chapters as well. This would free up those jobs that would otherwise need to merit nearly everything in their tier 2 merits in order to cover the relevant staggers in Voidwatch fights.

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People that say in party "Finally Mob XYZ dropped the <rarest to obtain item>" when they have fought XYZ less than several hundred times. If you're 1/100, "finally" doesn't apply. Be glad you got lucky. There are those of us that were fighting it before you beat your first VWNM and still are. For example, 3 phasmida belts in 220 Kaggen kills. Zero bodies.

Better yet, just don't comment at all about your items in PUGs. No one cares.

"Finally got my drop" is more offensive than "Glad I got these. Lucky me"
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So mad... so mad...

A lot of time, it's about coming for win and got all the rare stuff.
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You just have learn how to deal with other people getting things while you get nothing. It will happen in all walks of life and learning to deal with it and simply be happy for other people (at least externally) will make you a better person. I have personally gotten 6 VW bodies and I try to resist saying anything in PT chat if it is a pickup.

As for RDM without merit spells, I just view it like the letter C. Nothing wrong with it on its own, but if you have S and K in the ally you might as well ask C to change jobs or get something else.
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For me it boils down to only a few anoyances.

in no real order it comes down to, I hate;

1. People bringing one BLU, and then complain endlessly he isnt proc'ing because he needs to constantly reset spells.

2. People see that someone has a LOT of jobs at 99, dont ask which is their best job or what he wants to go as most, but instead make him go on an un(der)geared, spell missing, and hateful job.

3. People actually deciding "screw it" and actually going as said naked, half spell list mage without just saying so.

4. People who decide their only strategy is to not have a strategy. Random jobs PUG, no planning ahead for triggers, and simply shouting "kill kill kill" the entire fight.

5. Leaders not knowing spell procs. It's HV Darkness Black Magic. They see a DRK cast down the lines of Absorbs, and they start shouting and cursing why he isnt casting any proc spells, borderline getting kicked.
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12. Putting "Emp DD ONLY" in a party shout.
Numerous jobs actually have better options available. OaT Great Sword and OaT Polearm are great examples of this. TP Bonus Great Katana is another. I'd rather have a non-emp front line job that knows his procs and gets them fast rather than some EMP Dark Knight who just spams Torcleaver over and over.
While we're here, shouting for a Corsair to have Armageddon (Although he has Bedlam+2) or no invite is @#%^ing stupid.


Difference between 90 Masa and 99 Kano is something like ~2% with the Kano being far easier to acquire and gear for. Masa has to be 99 to pull out of the margin of error range. 99 Amano fares a little worse if your not capped Attack. The real winner is the Mythic, but good luck finding one of those.

Honestly for GSWD / GKT / PLM the 99 Magian versions are interchangeable with the Emp / Relics. It's only WAR / MNK (and technically BLU) that get the real OMGBBQ Sauce difference.

Edited, Apr 17th 2012 4:13pm by saevellakshmi
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#23Neisan, Posted: Apr 17 2012 at 7:44 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I have 90 Masa as high as ~10% ahead of 99 Kanto post nerf with level 3 AM on a T3. Assumed Atmacites was valiant/coercion, no buffs but haste/hasso/the usual.
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Blue Mages with Emps.

Seriously you are suddenly not a top DD, get to procing your @#%^ing spells.

Dual Blue Mages.

"What element do you want to cover?"

Emp Blue Mage: "Ok, as long as I can keep my fire setup!"
Emp Blue Mage 2: "Ok....make sure you actually proc."
Emp Blue Mage: "I don't proc V or HV, I need triple attack, store tp and skillchain bonus at all times."
Emp Blue Mage 2: '...guess I'll be the useful blue mage then."

@#%^ing people's brains go to sh*t when they suddenly get an emp. Yes BLU can do damage, however you want EVERY proc possible, v or otherwise, especially in the later fights.
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Blue Mages with Emps.

Seriously you are suddenly not a top DD, get to procing your @#%^ing spells.



yeah I've had one of those. I was like "dude we don't care that you have an emp sword. Please just focus"

And he also was the guy that had NO past maws or warps at all, even though we were doing a city climb, like wtf? So we all stood around waiting for him constantly.
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Part of me can sympathize with such BLUs. When I got my Almace, it was like, "Yay, CDC!" Only to suddenly never really be able to play BLU in a decent melee capacity on more difficult content because VW is absolutely horrible toward the job. It's shades of RDM melee where, even if you acquired the best the job can equip, people have other roles in mind for you and will mock the everliving sh*t out of you if you dare deviate. Sadly, RDM just has antiquation working against it, and some people are okay with that justifying it through the problems of the old days and a few select braggarts.
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I don't really see why people expect Almace to transform BLU. You're still a spellcaster. Now, a spellcaster with a fancier weapon, but the lions share of the job (and your damage) is still going to be spells.

That said, I hate proccing on BLU. This is mostly because SE decided to choose the most useless, set-point intensive spells as procs. I know they love their 'symmetrical elements', but ffs, would it kill them to let us proc with Benthic Typhoon, Quad. Continuum, Delta Thrust, Disseverment, literally anything that someone might actually want to cast?

Nope, can't do that. But I can give you a 5 set point spell that does 50 damage and costs 400 MP, while providing no useful traits. Also, you have to set a lot of them. Sounds like fun, right?
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I can sympathize with blu (as i play it too) I just SERIOUSLY hate the blus who won't even attempt to proc, not even ex if it kills their CDC setup -.-
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I would have had sympathy, but the blu made a point of bragging about his emp, demanded I sing different songs for him (I was giving mp to mages/smn and minuet to ranger) yet stood in among the mages and then made us all wait because he didn't have maws...

Hell if he had been a job that relies on TP to proc, I would be happy to do three different rotations, but he was an elitist dick who happened to also suck and make us all wait for him, and his damage wasn't needed anyway... so... yeah

I did the rotation but man he annoyed me.
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I don't really see why people expect Almace to transform BLU. You're still a spellcaster. Now, a spellcaster with a fancier weapon, but the lions share of the job (and your damage) is still going to be spells.


While BLU is fairly MP efficient, MP is still finite. I know some are spoiled by atma(cites) and temp items in this day and age, but I would personally scoff at a BLU who thinks they're just a caster (CDC itself, properly geared, should be stronger than most spells without JA use). The ability to set DW3, Triple Attack, Store TP, ACC/ATK bonus, and still have a solid spell arsenal regardless of sub is a proverbial feather in its cap. SE's given the job a hell of a lot of love with the cap increases.

Now, VW neuters that, yeah, but it's something that can be later fixed and should be. One (cheap) spell per element would be ideal, and with the above in mind, Store TP would probably be the first sacrificed with DW spells if /NIN. But part of the fun of the job is having choices. Not so fun when those choices are made for you by bad game design or annoying peers.
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I don't really see why people expect Almace to transform BLU. You're still a spellcaster. Now, a spellcaster with a fancier weapon, but the lions share of the job (and your damage) is still going to be spells.


While BLU is fairly MP efficient, MP is still finite. I know some are spoiled by atma(cites) and temp items in this day and age, but I would personally scoff at a BLU who thinks they're just a caster (CDC itself, properly geared, should be stronger than most spells without JA use). The ability to set DW3, Triple Attack, Store TP, ACC/ATK bonus, and still have a solid spell arsenal regardless of sub is a proverbial feather in its cap. SE's given the job a hell of a lot of love with the cap increases.

Now, VW neuters that, yeah, but it's something that can be later fixed and should be. One (cheap) spell per element would be ideal, and with the above in mind, Store TP would probably be the first sacrificed with DW spells if /NIN. But part of the fun of the job is having choices. Not so fun when those choices are made for you by bad game design or annoying peers.


BLU can be beastly but is highly dependent on subjob and JT selection. People also have unrealistic expectations of a BLU, BLU's are not BLMS / BRD / NIN's, they can't cast any of their spells whenever they want. A BLU/RDM wearing a staff and mage gear can set, at most, half of the proc spells. If there isn't a BLU proc then he's effectively contributing a big fat goose egg, if the BLU proc is only a V then he's contributing exactly 4s of pause and a chance at one random temp, otherwise a big fat goose egg. These BLU's are actually the worst kind because technically speaking, you'd be better off kicking them and inviting another BRD / COR / BLM / SCH or even a RDM to the alliance. Capping lights is piss easy, proc one or two HV's and the melee damage alone will cap out lights from the blitz bonus. Thus procing often and fast is what matters and one BLU can't do that even if that's all they do, you need at least two BLU's which would require you to sacrifice another slot that could be something like a COR / BRD / NIN / SAM / DRK / WAR / ect. In either situation the BLU needs to be doing damage and spamming temps / WS's, they would build more light from their damage during stagger then during the rare occasion of a HV / EV proc. And should that HV / EV BLU proc appear, their is a 50% chance the useless staff wielding BLU/RDM would of had to reset spells where as the BLU/WAR can set DWIII and still have room for three full elements so 62.5% chance of having to reset while also dealing damage and building lights during blitz.

So yeah, it's a lose / lose situation. A well built BLU that can tear things up will most likely have to set procs during the fight if it's EV / HV and get yelled at for it. A crap BLU will also have to set procs during the fight yet because their not swinging a sword nobody says anything about it. SE needs to fix that sh!t like yesterday.
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As BLU, I don't bother changing proc spell for V proc .
And I refuse to set all proc spells at once if I know I can DD in that fight.

Something like Rex and Kalasutrax are exceptions.
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#33 Apr 19 2012 at 10:20 PM Rating: Default
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Can set spells while you melee... I don't see what the problem is?
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